"It would behoove u DOT to research what the GB used to say about organs....many witnesses refused organs because they were told not to Accept them....the GB even spoke of it as cannibalism. How many witnesses do you think died as a result?"
I'll study that, do you have any references I could put into the cd-rom. No apostate sites please..
"Is it HUMBLE to call everything you do truth"
..Where have the Watchtower made such a claim? They are not infallible, just honest truth seekers who follow Jesus as their Leader. You apostates keep trying to put words into their mouths..
" Moses experienced Jehovahs divine and miraculous involvement. He "spoke for God" in a very direct way. The GB has made VERY CLEAR that they are not prophets.....because truely if they were they would be false prophets yes? So they claim no miraculous guidance "
..Agreed. Nobody today is inspired directly by God. So should nobody teach what is found in the Bible? Without a central body of leadership, how could any decision be reached as to how those in Gods organisation should act? (Remember the decision regarding circumcision made by the 1st century body of older men)
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Problemaddict said:"current understanding of truth". That phrase by and large, is analagous to the word "guess". It is a guess based on what someone THINKS is accurate. "
..Not at all. Is our current understanding of Science and the physical laws of the universe a guess?
" Think for a minute what the phrase "partial truth" really is. Its like saying, I half half of my whole car. Can I drive it? No......I only have half of it. "
..But if only a minor part was missing, and you know where you are going, you could still reach your destination safely. How you made the leap from incomplete to half complete I have no idea.. Then again, I am having trouble following you. You seem a bit unhinged to me. -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Brainfloss: I have no idea what you mean to accomplish with that list. All of those things are unchristian practices, anyone practicing them unrepentantly is not serving Jehovah in a way acceptable to him. Therefore he has no place among Gods people.
" I heard a member of the G.B give a talk at an international assembly in 1974 .. quote "This is most likley the last convention before armagedden "
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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'The issue is claiming to have "the truth" about everything'
..The Slave do not claim to know the complete truth on all matters.
"Would you say therefore that the previous understanding was/was not blessed? "
..Of course it wasn't blessed. No imperfect men can do what God wants them to do at all times, mistakes are made -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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galaxie:"The problem they have of course is truth cannot change so by accepting, as they must if they are honest and have sound reasoning, that what they believed as truth has changed (this is a time for honesty) then the only thing they could possibly try to defend is their man made organizations interpretations not truth."
Only the Bible has absolute truth. It is our understanding that can change, prophecy can only be understood as it is being fulfilled for example. Our core beliefs remain unchanged, though, which is further evidence that we have been blessed with gradual understanding.
Problemaddict:" What if they are wrong about something serious...like organs, vaccines, or blood fractions?"
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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"What evidence of their individual appointment do you have?"
Only one organisation carries the name Jehovah and preaches about him worldwide, with increases every year and millions of publications containing his name. He would see to it that they were removed if they were wrongly appointed. That they are in the lead, is evidence in itself.
"Even the FDS doesn't go beyond what the Bible says on a matter.
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beards?
predicting the date for Armageddon (at least) 4 or 5 times?
NO blood vs blood fractions vs hemo-dilution vs auto-logus vs etc etc (yeah, that's all written in the Bible) "
The Bible says to abstain from blood. How you decide to twist/interpret those words is up to you, but they are there in black and white. The FDS didn't make them up. As for beards, nobody is df'd for that, it is a personal decision. And when they predicted possible dates for Armageddon, they were just theories, not held as infallible in the way the Bibles words are. I meant that they don't go beyond the Bible in terms of doctrine. -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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"So you are saying that GOD allows the GB to interpret the Bible, even though it may be wrong.Correct??"
In terms of interpreting prophecy, yes. The adjustments to the Revelation book show that a different understanding may be correct, but Jehovah will allow minor errors until he sees fit to correct them.
" Are you saying the incorrect interpretationof the GB was 'truth?' "
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It was our current understanding of the truth. Nobody has a complete understanding of truth, you cannot expect that of imperfect men.
" Do you believe that it is protection to DF people who bring errors to the attention of the GB or Elders? "
..Who has the right to declare a belief to be wrong, except those appointed by God to do so? The Bibles words can be understood in many ways, as seen in Christendom. If you are declaring yourself to be right above those that God has allowed to be leading the organisation that bears his name, you are placing your eternal life in jeopardy. Read the account of Korah.. -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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" They are guided by the Holy Spirit inspired words, not moved by it to act in a certain way " ____Defender of the Truth
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The WTS disagrees Luv "--Wasblind
I meant that their every move and word is not directed by spirit. But their decisions as a body, when they're all together, are directed by holy spirit, through what they read in the Bible. Your quote refers to receiving help with qualities such as boldness in the ministry, not perfect interpretation of Scripture. You may find this quote interesting..
"It was referred to the apostles and older men at Jerusalem, who served as a central governing body.Those older men were not infallible; they were not persons who never made a mistake. (Compare Galatians 2:11-14.) But God used them.They considered what the inspired Scriptures said on the subject at hand as well as the evidence of the operation of God's spirit in opening up the Gentile field, and then they rendered a decision. God blessed that arrangement."United in Worshipp.120 -
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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"CRITERIA FOR TRUTH
1) God's word is the ultimate source of truth.
2) Truth is the correct understanding of God's word.
3) Jesus' words are truth.
4) No "truth" can contradict another "truth." If there is a contradiction, only one can be true.
5) Truth does not change. Truth remains truth. [ not so with men's ideas ]
6) No probabilities or assumptions allowed. God's true prophets never prophesied in probabilities or assumptions. Exactly what they said came true.
7) Truth is verifiable facts.
Do you agree with the above criteria? Yes or No.
DD"
1)YES
2)YES, but we cannot have a full understanding of some parts of the Bible at the present time.
3)YES
4)YES, but a formerly incorrect viewpoint can be contradicted by a better understanding. We don't go backwards and forwards. Only forwards.
5) YES, but our understanding of truth can change. We cannot know everything.
6)YES. We have never prophesied in Gods name that something will happen, only for it to not happen. The disciples of Jesus had theories and wrong expectations, and so have we. Inspired prophets would not have to discuss possible outcomes, they spoke to God directly. Who is able to do that today? Exactly.
7) YES, I suppose you mean that truth can be verified using facts but I'm no grammar expert myself
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Punkofnice:"So how does the spirit do this? Please present evidence.".."It was referred to the apostles and older men at Jerusalem, who served as a central governing body.Those older men were not infallible; they were not persons who never made a mistake. (Compare Galatians 2:11-14.) But God used them.They considered what the inspired Scriptures said on the subject at hand as well as the evidence of the operation of God's spirit in opening up the Gentile field, and then they rendered a decision. God blessed that arrangement."United in Worship p.120
I do not need to prove to you that we have Gods blessing as a group. The worldwide growth and unity is plain for anyone to see.